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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
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Posted - 2007.03.22 23:30:00 -
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I've come up with a really fun, long-term project. I can't quite explain what it is at the moment, but does anyone have Rifter artwork, concept art, diagrams, etc?
Specifically, devs and such, can I borrow your drawings?
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.23 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Doctor on 23/03/2007 18:34:53
Edited by: Snake Doctor on 23/03/2007 18:33:58
I'll give you a hint. It's an instruction manual.
XD
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.23 18:47:00 -
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Nah. I had this idea to write the Rifter Flight manual and Repair Guide. There was all that totally nerd talk about it the other day and it got me thinking--- What if someone were to write a TOTALLY BS technical manual, just for the fun of it?
It's sort of a long term deal, but it will be fun. Who doesn't love the rifter? Anyone want to help? I'm totally for round table discussions on whether the modal inertia field dampener is tri-modal or dual... 
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.23 19:19:00 -
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Section 8-1. Reccomended Repair Adhesives :)
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.23 23:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Entreri Finwe
Don't forget to include references to the guns, such as the 280 mm artillery!
280mm Howitzer Artillery I
Beautiful!
Noted!
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.24 15:42:00 -
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I've completed the cover of the manual! I'll post soon. It has US ARMY FM feel to it.
I just had this idea that a sony-like user manual would be too Caldari...
Anyway, expect a gritty, overdriven, heavy ink black and white look to this one. Anyone want to help me write the copy? I need Rifter facts, backstory, and info... *COUGH* Concept art would be nice :) That way I wouldn't have to make or draw it all myself!
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.24 21:06:00 -
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GOODIES!!
A cover design... I like it, but I want suggestions.
I loooove this one.
So that's like 8 hours worth of work :) More to come. Text later. suggestions?
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.24 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Doctor on 24/03/2007 21:38:38
Originally by: Acerus Malum
Originally by: Snake Doctor
A cover design... I like it, but I want suggestions.
You referred to the "Republic Navy" which is actually the "Republic Fleet". Other than that, spiffy. 
Ah, crap.
I'll fix it.
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LOL Changes in version .000 to .001
*The "Republic Navy" in the corner now says "Republic Fleet", however the seal still says "Minmatar Republic Department of the Navy"
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Posted - 2007.03.25 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Doctor on 25/03/2007 14:36:58
Originally by: Meirre K'Tun
hehe, i love the idea :D
the cover looks WAY to clean though, it's a minmatar ship after all.
the vetical format is better suited for very organzized armys like caldari i think, make it the standarf format, add some duct tape to it (and maybe some quaffe stains and a cigarette burnhole) and it'll look fine.
i think it's hard to begin such a project with a minmatar ship, because here you have to make up almost everything by yourself.
if you take a caldari ship for example, you can just take one of the billion star wars x-wing manuals and get some ideas there.
if you can get your hands on the manual of the german "Tiger" tank of world war 2 (also called "Tiger fibel") you might get some inspiration there, they had a great style of explaining. hard to describe, i'll look if i find a pdf somewhere, but they illustrated everything with very simple examples, so when they tried to explain to the new tanker why they should put their tank in a 45Š angle to the enemy they compared that to cutting a sausage (you have to see the pictures to understand what i mean), but anyways, the style was great.
so if you could add examples like that (and made up short storys like when a verteran duct-taped a smartbomb to a cargo can so that he could blow up ore thieves) that would add a great deal of "realism" to the manual.
well, much text, not so much content, i'm drunk and i like the idea.
in short: keep it coming & good luck with your project
I LOVE that Tiger manual. It reads more like one of those worst case scenario books than a technical document. "Driving the Tiger is just like driving a car". "Be gentle with the controls as you would your girlfriend"... and so on. I've got a copy on my shelf as a tribute to some of the most entertaining tech docs EVER (and probably one of the only ones). I can't read very much of it, but it ALWAYS makes a party piece when I have somoene to translate!
Update:
!!!!! Pages are here.
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Posted - 2007.03.25 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Meirre K'Tun
yeah, that's it :D
if you need help translating i can help you.
well, anyways, i would love to see an eve-ship mnual in that style :D
i especially like the pictues (for example the picture of whe woman in the bathtub. it's funny if you understand german. in german bathtub and the lower part of the tanks body have the same name ("wanne")).
Oh, she's so making an appearance (or a variation thereof)
"Be sure not to over-drive the yoke as the thrusters may misfire. Be gentle with the controls as you would the mistress of your house." [Insert pic of bathing chick]
LOL
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Posted - 2007.03.25 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tajidan
ooooooh i love your idea m8, and i really would enjoy to help you out with Illustrations.
But to keep it a bit more specific iŠd like to ask you what topics you gonna put in it, cuz there are so many things you could Illustrate that youŠll never be finished ^^ Something like the Index of Winterblink would really help the people out who decide to do wicked stuff for the manual.
I've been working on an overview and outline but it's coming pretty slow. If you can get your hands on the US Army manual for the OH-58 (TH-67?), or even AF F-16, that's the kind of thing I'll be using as a model. I'm just trying to work out scale right now---
I was so wrong about the size. It's a lot bigger than i thought it was
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The scale is still off... I'm using the original art from the original site to get the sizes--- 15m high, 65m long. So far, i think my drawing may need to be "tweaked" for length...
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Posted - 2007.03.25 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
This is a great idea!!! I love the Rifter (although I like the Slasher better).
I'd be glad to help with anything design or art related if you need it.
I think I can get you the FMs you need. Let me look.
Awesome--- Yeah, I've got stacks and stacks of FM's from various services and companies. What I really need are some ideas for the deck diagrams. I've got the scale worked out and I'll post it after a bit. We're going to have to assume that the dimensions I've drawn are "exactly" 15 meters in height and the average pilot (Not pod) is 2M in height. :) oh, don't worry, there will be a pod docking and retention module (optional)!!!!
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Posted - 2007.03.25 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Marine HK4861
Originally by: Snake Doctor
I just had this idea that a sony-like user manual would be too Caldari...
If you ever decide to do a manual for a Caldari ship, I'll be happy to provide instructions in Japanese and the Engrish translation.
Dude, the Hawk is totally up next... :-D
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Posted - 2007.03.26 12:46:00 -
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More content coming tonight. I don't have the time to work on as much art during the week, but I'll try to get that scale up. I'm still wondering if anyone has any sort of deck diagram or cross section, or if I'll have to come up with that one on my own.
This is a fairly huge project. Input is always welcome... :)
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Posted - 2007.03.26 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Doctor on 26/03/2007 19:44:13
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
i think average EVE frigate size is considered around that of a Boeing 747.
Yeah, I worked out the scale using 15m height as a base, also tweaked my drawing a bit.
Here's the scale.
(yes, I know, the 15m is way too high up. Was in a hurry...)
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Posted - 2007.03.26 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker
the rifter is alot bigger than you think.
Oh, totally. I was scaling it and thinking "no way!!" to myself the whole time.
That scale is pretty exacting, assuming the rifter is 65mX15m I will have to do an overhead tonight or something. Expect another drawing Wednesday and maybe a cab deck diagram on Thursday or so.
I am open to submissions on this. I'd love for this to be a cool community project that lots of Eve "Engineers" can get their part into. I'd also love for the Devs to say something, but I know better than to ask outright. I'm sure if it get's big enough, they will either give me a smackdown or some sort of inspiration (hopefully the latter!).
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker
it's about as long as a 747. I have the picture with the scales on but cba to upload it, i think it's on evefiles somewhere.
That sounds about right, if you include the forward radar array on the rifter. 747 is 71M long, give or take.
Overlayed.
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.03.28 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kolatha
Edited by: Kolatha on 27/03/2007 05:07:40
Originally by: Tatsu Tahime
The 130m3 of cargo space would probably be parcelled up throughout the center, the two front nacelles and the wingtips, as this would make sense for ammunition distribution in what is really a military vessel.
Actually, looking closely at the model in game, the cargo compartment is situated in that central area between the "wings". There is enough room (130m3 is only a little more than 5x5x5)and those 2 big chain loops that run from the central compartment out and forward into the left and right booms carry the ammo to the forward hardpoints. The enclosed section of these booms would probably also contain a maintenance crawlway and the primary power and data chains. The cargo compartment would probably also be pressurised as it provides the only path between the*****pit and the maintenance tubes in the booms. The cargo hold is accessed from the rear and blow the central engine.
The "pod" in the middle of the ship was probably originally just a pilot's chair with a small, cramped area reconfigurable between sleeping and eating. Now the whole section is probably filled with the pod.
The forward section of the left and right nacelles would contain the intakes for reaction mass as well as the main power plant and capacitor banks and the smaller engines. They would also contain the electricals and hard points for mounting the mid and low slots. The shield generators are the 2 slightly diiferent coloured sections in the middle of each boom and just behind the primary capacitor banks.
The 3 primary engines at the rear are fed with reaction mass drawn in through the large intakes in front of the 2 main engines and supplimented by additional reaction mass delivered from the forward intakes.
The 2 pods near the outer edge of the main wings contain mount points for either missile pods or other high powered modules like energy drainers (although you do need to divert power from one of the turret hardpoints in order to operate both of these missile hardpoints). This problem is resolved in the Wolf class assault ship by strapping on 2 external launcher points and hardwiring them directly into the grid.
That's pretty well thought out. I like it--- but what about the pilot's quarters? Shouldn't there be a configuration for long in-space stays?
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.03.29 06:00:00 -
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More goodies tomorrow! Working on the rest of the views for scale and then Deck diagrams. I figure the main section is 2.5 decks, with*****pit and some storage area. We're talking VERY limited space here....
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.03.29 23:30:00 -
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Update!!!
I'm working on the overhead still. I had some problems with my tablet, but I've reinstalled and worked out the bugs.
Overhead!
It's unfinished, but I thought it would be cool to show my progress! :)
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Inertia Foryu
I noticed you have "Repair" in the title. I know from experience that Structural Repair Manuals can be thousands of pages long (Even typical fleet support repairs). What kind of repairs do you intend on including in your manual?
Cheers,
N.E.R.T.
I thought about that yesterday and came up with one solution:
Very simple field repairs that a skilled pilot would want to know. I.e. What simple fixes can you apply to critical systems to keep from getting screwed.
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:32:00 -
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I just scanned the front view. It's rather ink-heavy and it will need some love in order to fit the scale. I'll work on it tomorrow and post when I'm done. I'll also have an update on the overhead, command section, and a few deck diagrams. Playing around with it, I've noticed there is quite a bit more space available to the pilot for basic living quarters.
I don't really think I have the talent to do a cutaway, but I'll give it a shot as well.
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.03.31 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Doctor on 31/03/2007 20:58:30
Oh man, I've been working hard today...
Two new pics.
The command section, semi complete with some approximate measurements. I hurried the engines for the sake of posting, I'll fix them later.
And, of course, the scale.
Before anyone says anything--- The scale is wrong. Remember what I said about the front view needing love to fit the scale? Well, I gave it a lot of love, but I just wasn't able to fix the engines. I'll have to redraw it. Maybe this time I'll think about perspective, etc.
OR you could see it this way:
Mistakes only add to the "Minmatarness" of the manual. Believe me, there will be a few ;)
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.04.01 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
once this is done, how much will a copy cost? I was thinking something along the lines of 5 mil isk?
It will be officially declassified by the Minmatar Department of Fleet Operations and the Minmatar Department of the Navy for public dissemination, free of charge, when completed.
However-- any contribution, be it isk, drawings, text, or speculation as to what a photon injector flow modulator, matter reactive syphon regulator, or cross-latteral field stabilizer mount look like will all get a note on a yet to be designed awesome contribution page. Please evemail me or post to this if you would like to contriubute!
There was a post on minnie design philosophy I was going to reply to- I'll get to that later, as I had some thoughts on it as well.
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.04.01 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Slash Harnet
Originally by: Snake Doctor
3-26-07 The scale drawing is up. Here. Anyone want to help with deck diagrams?
If you can get the front and rear views to the same scale I'll give it a shot (assuming you still wanted help).
The rear of the ship is always in scale, it's just the engines I messed up on. I've been reworking them. Check out that command section drawing. I figured there's about 450m3 of space to be filled with cargo and ammunition, engineering, operations, the*****pit (or pod), and basic living quarters. That main section would make a very nice main cabin and hold...
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Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.04.02 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Atienne
Edited by: Atienne on 01/04/2007 22:16:12
Hello Mr. Doctor :)
your idea is soooo geeky! thats good :D
i am still missing the cut throuoghs though. so i thought id make my own.. these are 10 minute sketches! so naturally the rez. will be alot higher (basically repainting the parts of the ship in a much higher rezolution to get the details down... right now its just a blurry mess :D but i think the idea comes across..
i dont have much time on my hands.. but i would like to have it in the background.. just adding a bit once in a while.... what actually has to go where, i will leave to you engineering freaks :D i just like to draw it :)
send me an Eve mail if you think it could work :)
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EDIT: Btw. If you need some examples of what i can do. (not that it matters much though.)
please go to the beach :) Linkage
Best Regards.
***Atienne
Dude, I LOVE that*****pit/bridge. Awesome work man! I was thinking of using the rear section for the quarters, though. I sort of thought of the command area as sort of being built like the delta flyer (I know, I know, -300 points for the reference). What I mean is that the top of the craft is translucent or 2-way, and the pilot sits further down in a sort of cramped pilot's chair with allll kinds of dials and low-tech hitech controls. I sort of imagine the rest of the front cabin as systems diagnostics. Pipes and such, too.
Anyway--- awesome work. I checked out your site and it all looks great.
btw- +40 for your levels on the b&w. You may want to burn and dodge it up a little bit, but it looks pretty good!
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.04.03 18:54:00 -
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Just an update:
I haven' had a whole lot of time to work on drawings and such for a few days, but I'll try to get the deck diagram finished tomorrow.
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.04.05 04:56:00 -
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Updsate:
More stuff soon!!!! SOON, soon.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gladia Horusthu
Someone tossed this up in a thread in another forum, thought I'd give you this link: Ship blueprints from back in the day
Unfortunately (or perhaps it is better for this project) the image of the Rifter isn't very good. Dunno if these numbers are still what the Devs use when they talk about having us walk around stations. Thanks to Frightspear for having a bookmark to the images!
When I was working on the overhead, I noticed something. The max breadth in the bp is wrong. I think it came to something like 68...
I'll have another look later...
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Snake Doctor
Second Wave
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Posted - 2007.04.08 06:35:00 -
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I know it's been a while since the last update, but this project is nowhere near dead!
I bought myself a very sexy new DV6338Se and I've been installing all the stuff to it.
I've also taken the obligatory break from all things important to play some CNC3, but ill be back on the manual asap. More art to upload, I just have to clean it up.
As far as text, anyone want to give me a hand with the backstory of how the rifter came to be? Anyone want to explain why the 2000 rifter is so radically different than the 2003-2007 rifter? any concept art out there? fiction? yeah i cant do this alone :P
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.04.12 07:57:00 -
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Just updating--- still working hard! There will be "Stuff" Saturday!
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Posted - 2007.04.12 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Garr Anders
Originally by: Snake Doctor
Originally by: Atienne...
http://bierberg.com/rifter1"
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***Atienne
Dude, I LOVE that*****pit/bridge. Awesome work man!
Just found this and as matari Im just so looking forward to having such a manual, BUT ...
  No*****pit/bridge on a POD driven ship.  
While that's true, this will be the manual for the crewed version. There will be a mention of the pod interface, and I'll show how it's integrated as well.
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Posted - 2007.04.20 04:58:00 -
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I know I keep promising new stuff, but I've been kind of busy lately. I've got some stuff to scan and clean up, but I haven't been able to get the time lately. I'd really like to have the comm section up this weekend...
Anyway, just an update. Yeah, I'm still working on it, but I haven't really had time to give it 100%, and if it's not at least 95%, I won't upload it.... Soon though.
Just remember, it's a pretty big project! I'm working, but it will take some time :)
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.05.22 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mokh'Tar
This reeks of awesomeness!! :D I love the work you've produced so far.
I'd love to create a model of the rifter and then make the technical drawing of it seen from different angles. I don't know how long it'll take me, or if I'll manage at all, but I'm definitely going to try. Any result I'm sufficiently content about I'll post here.
If you've got any more drawings of the size of the thing I'd love to get my hands on those. :) Keep up the good work. Maybe I'll be able to give you something more for your little project. ;)
If I had a 3d model of the thing, it would make the drawings do much easier!!! I worked up a*****pit today that I really liked. I haven't scanned anything in a while, but I plan on it soon. Just to let ya'll know, I'm still working on it :)
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Snake Doctor
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United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.08.30 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrnan
This project still a go?
Yup-- Just haven't had a whole lot of time to work on it 
Still going though!
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.09.03 06:37:00 -
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New content soon!
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Snake Doctor
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Posted - 2007.09.03 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Aridia Parker
Actually that one would fit better for a scifi game like eve.
The ones posted on the first page look too much like 1950s.
Heh-- yeah. That's sort of the point, though. I sort of figured that a Caldari would look like the "newer" (or like a Sony manual), while the Minnies have that desperately industrial factor to them. I figured that the US Army style FM's would perfectly fit that, since they are geared towards massive quantities being produced for very little money.
In this case, I take a high res drawing or a high quality drawing and completely tear it up or over ink it. I'd love to use autocad, but it wouldn't lend me the quality (or lack there of) I am looking for. There is a particular model I use to draw from, but decided to go old school and draft everything from that for use with the manual.
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Posted - 2007.09.28 23:57:00 -
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Been busy lately- Also tanked about 500 million ingame recently. Who flies their drone into a smartbomb? Oh yeah, a jerk does. ;) hint hint if anyone feels sympathetic...
Anyway:
I'm still working on the manual though. I'm able to devote a few hours on Saturdays, so it's still going on. I've got some stuff I should upload...
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Posted - 2007.09.29 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Snake Doctor
Been busy lately- Also tanked about 500 million ingame recently. Who flies their drone into a smartbomb? Oh yeah, a jerk does. ;) hint hint if anyone feels sympathetic...
Anyway:
I'm still working on the manual though. I'm able to devote a few hours on Saturdays, so it's still going on. I've got some stuff I should upload...
awesome :)
update your first post again some day!
:) updated.
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